The Frontier Sixshooter Community Message Board - Getting back to the original question ...

Getting back to the original question ... (reply)

brerarnold — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 02:12:57 +0000

Which was not, is the .22 WMR an effective cartridge ...

If the Aquila, with a 30 gr. bullet and an advertised velocity of only 100 fps less than the .22 mag groups well in my gun, then I am all for it. It would be nice to get that kind of performance without having to change the cylinder (I have the Single Six.)

Also, here in NC you can carry a .22 LR handgun in the off-season in the state-controlled gamelands (like the wonderful Croatan National Forest, just a couple of miles from here), but nothing else, including (for some darn reason) the .22 WMR, so that would be great also.

If it doesn't group well, then pffft.

Guess I'll have to get me some and try it out. Thanks for bringing it up, Art.

I've never seen anything by Linebaugh that wasn't top notch. (reply)

Paul — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 20:22:48 +0000

We just think real different...... (reply)

Byron — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 20:11:10 +0000

Peace,

Byron

Actually... (reply)

Paul — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 19:43:22 +0000

I am not the only one in this thread that has expressed the opinion that the 22 mag is a useful cartridge - even out of a sixgun. Yet I am the one who benefits by your personal attention. Why? Not sure. You claim I seek the lowest common denominator whereas I seek to utilize that which is at hand rather than spending funds on something new. Perhaps it irks you that I do not think like you, or you assume that because I live in another country that I have no personal knowledge of the subject matter on this forum or ??? I don't know anything for sure about it but that somehow I stick in your craw. I can live with that. :) Art's got himself a 22 mag, I expressed the opinion that it can serve him well in CO - as mine has done for me in the same territory. He, of course, is free to use it, trade it, sell it or toss it in the river as he sees fit. That is the beauty of living in a relatively free country. Shucks, I can even irritate some folks simply by breathing, another benefit of freedom I suppose.

Here is how to do a .32... (reply)

Bud — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 19:37:20 +0000

It don't get no better than that. 1st dibs if you decide to send that one down the road !!!!

Thank you.... (reply)

Byron — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:59:34 +0000

The concept of filling the pot by shooting animals with a .22 and hoping they will die just never occured to me.

My understanding of the original post was whether or not the .22 was the optimum choice for a field gun or if one of his other more powerful pistols might be more versitile sidearm.

Clearly, your search for the lowest common denominator vs my quest for excellance is the fundimental reason we just can not get along.

Peace,

Byron

Here is how to do a .32... (reply)

Byron — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:51:53 +0000

Light, handy, accurate, reloadable and useful power....a wonderful little revolver...

Byron

I'd settle for a 25 Hornet... (reply)

Paul — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 15:36:21 +0000

I've never looked at the 25 Hornet. The 327 is an interesting idea, I've liked the 32's since I was a kid.

I'd settle for a 25 Hornet... (reply)

Bud — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 15:09:20 +0000

Just cut the 22Hornet off at the shoulder, run it into a 25Hornet die, trim and you're in business. But why go to all the trouble when a 32H&R or 327Fed will do same job.

Now if we could just... (reply)

Paul — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 15:05:49 +0000

convince Lipsey's to have Ruger build some up. Like they did with the small frame 44 spl, for example. :)

I'm too attached to my kidneys... (nt) (reply)

Paul — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 15:04:06 +0000

No....but (reply)

Bud — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 15:01:07 +0000

Hamilton Bowen, Alan Hardon, Ben Forkin, etc, etc can put one together for your for less than the price of a ranch in Texas.

But, but, but... (reply)

Paul — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 13:56:05 +0000

The 25-20 would make a dandy packin' pistol in a OM Single Six sized package. Keith was of the opinion that the old Stevens 25 Rimfire was superior to the 22 Mag, but it went the way of the dodo. Personally, I'd be tickled to play with the 22 velodog in a modern sixgun configuration, it seems like it'd be essentially a reloadable 22 mag.

Does anyone make a 25-20 handgun anymore?

Agree with Catoosa (reply)

Bud — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 13:42:12 +0000

During the mid 80's and on into the '90's there was a extreme problem with Jackrabbits in southern Wyoming. You could whack 'em with a 22lr using a rifle, but they certainly could soak up alot of ammo before going down. When one fellow showed up with a 22Mag rifle it was one shot one kill all day long. Next time out everyone had 22mag's and we never looked back. You can look at all the paper ballistics and read all the BS in gun rags, but 'out there' the 22Mag is king. A pretty keen reloadable 22Mag is the 25/20 Marlin 1884CL using a 80 gr CB. I love the 22lr in all the configurations available, but when there is vermin to put on the ground, the 22Mag is the right tool for the job.

I don't want to get into the furball, BUT (reply)

Catoosa — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 04:04:45 +0000

I have several .22LR handguns and treasure them for plinking and fun. IF I had to use one of them for anything serious and had nothing else, I would just do the best I could with it. However, I will not willingly shoot any live critter larger than a rabbit with a .22LR. This is from many years of experience shooting .22s. The .22LR is just not powerful enough to kill quickly and cleanly with anything except a brain shot, and I do not trust myself to shoot that well in every case.

The only .22 handgun I regularly carry is a beat-up 3-screw Single-Six I picked up at a gun show a few years ago. I USED to be of the opinion that the .22 Magnum was useless in a handgun, and the fact that this one did not have a magnum cylinder did not bother me a bit. A few months back I found a magnum cylinder in a bucket of rusty tools at a flea market and bought it for $8. Since then I have discovered that I was wrong about the magnum cartridge. It adds just enough punch to a .22 handgun to make it an effective killer on stuff up to coyote and feral dog size at reasonable handgun range. Even the CCI .22 WRF with the 45 grain JHP is a useful improvement over the .22LR, and that round is what I carry in the Ruger.

I will still be found carrying a centerfire handgun most of the time, because that's what I like, but the Single Six has turned into a useful gun instead of a plaything with the addition of the magnum cylinder.

Just my $0.02.

why is a .22 rifle in a handgun sized package debatable?nt (reply)

passin' by — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 03:07:40 +0000

So what........ (reply)

Paul — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 03:03:08 +0000

"The 22 rf has accounted for more game of all sizes than any centerfire (all centerfires together, perhaps?)"

"This statement is meaningless...."

Only meaningless to those who don't understand it. Have you ever lived by what you can grow or shoot - ONLY? Hand to mouth, each shot must count? Each penny must stretch so thin it's pretty nigh transparent? You may have, but I doubt it. In those situations then the lowly 22 is pressed into use - not shooting 1000 pound cows at contact distance but rather bringing in game. That is hunting, not shooting. It's what ever it takes to fill the pot, not "sporting".

"The 22 mag performs well - yes, even out of a pistol - in defiance of its "paper ballistics"."

"Performs well compared to what?"

Again, you cherry pick what you want to see. The 30-30, '06, etc can be shown to be superior to the 5.56 mm for shooting deer - if you pick and choose your data right. And the 30 caliber centerfire (generic term covering many chamberings) has likely accounted for several times more dead men than the 22 centerfire. There's always "something better" somewhere.

"My point continues to be...given a job...what is the best tool...given options..."

My point is ... not everyone has options to pick from. They've got what they've got and that's it.

"I know you live on a mountain top Utopia..."

Actually, I live in a mountain valley near the mean streets, right down the concrete canyon from anything BUT a utopia.

"I probabaly shot more last weekend that you did in the last year (or more)...."

Good for you.

"Think I'm "overbearing and opinionated"... I think you are naive and sarcastic...."

Naive - "marked by unaffected simplicity" Thank you.
Sarcasm - "a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain " if that is the impression I give, I apologize. I do not design to give pain by anything I write.

So what........ (reply)

Byron — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 01:35:40 +0000

"The 22 rf has accounted for more game of all sizes than any centerfire (all centerfires together, perhaps?)"

This statement is meaningless....

The locker plant down the road kills a semi of beef every Monday where a high school kid with a .22 Marlin up in the rafters shoots the steers with the muzzle touching the base of the skull...what does that prove...that 22s are good for killing 1000 lb cows....not really...lot of game killed with 22s...much not killed cleanly...is there a better way...sure...

"The 22 mag performs well - yes, even out of a pistol - in defiance of its "paper ballistics"."

Performs well compared to what? As good as a 9mm/38?..no way....it's expensive....noisy...22 rifle power...9mm shoots the same or flatter at 100 yards....many have .22 Mag pistols that they use with satisfaction....still...if one was to start from scratch...with open options...it would seem to me to pick something more versital....same price for pistol...similar cost of ammo...wider range of ammo...is there ANYTHING that a 22 Mag pistol can do better than a 4" K38/M19?....I can't think of a thing....

My point continues to be...given a job...what is the best tool...given options...

I know you live on a mountain top Utopia...I live out in the American sticks....I probabaly shot more last weekend that you did in the last year (or more)....

Think I'm "overbearing and opinionated"...

I think you are naive and sarcastic....

Byron

It is rather amusing, by the way... (reply)

Paul — Thu, 07 Jun 2012 23:29:20 +0000

I realize that the internet does not always lend itself to clear communication. You often come across as overbearing and opinionated. That's fine, I'm opinionated myself. The 22 rf has accounted for more game of all sizes than any centerfire (all centerfires together, perhaps?) over the decades of its existence. The 22 mag performs well - yes, even out of a pistol - in defiance of its "paper ballistics". You pays your money, you takes your choice.

It is rather amusing, by the way... (reply)

Byron — Thu, 07 Jun 2012 22:55:21 +0000

That anyone would consider the 5.56mm and M262 round in particular a "mousegun" given the fact that it has been killing hundreds and hundreds of thousands of our men for over 50 years and is the undisputed choice of Camp Perry service rifle shooters in long range matches....

I shoot deer (lots of them) with whatever amuses me...from 5.56mm and.375 H&H to 12 bore rifles and 9mm to .475 Linebaugh pistols....

I sneer at no one....just expressing my opinion that for killing any thing larger than small game cleanly under field conditions, a .22 rf rifle (or .22 Mag in a pistol)is mimimal and better choices are readily available....

Byron